About the trailer

We wanted a trailer that was small enough to be towed by our 2007 Toyota RAV4 (less than 3500 lbs loaded) yet had two comfortable beds and a minimal bathroom and kitchen. We looked at a few Scamps and Casitas in campgrounds but were attracted to the Lil’ Snoozy we found on the internet in spite of the dumb name. Manufacturer’s website here

It was the right size and the fiberglass foam sandwich construction meant it would be easier to change the layout to suit our exact needs. The entire shell is structural so cabinets, beds, etc can be screwed to the walls and floor anywhere.

The streamlined shape looked cool and implied better gas mileage towing (in practice our mileage is no better than others report with similar sized rigs – only about 15 mpg driving 60 to 65 mph).

The standard layout looks like this:

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We wanted two decent sized beds with some separation as Sue is an early riser and I’m …not. We wanted a small hanging closet and, in general, to optimize the storage capacity. We changed it to this:

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Here’s a picture of the front bed (mine). The very front of the nose is a storage compartment about 16″ deep. The mirrored sliding doors provide access. There is a narrow shelf on top for keys, glasses, etc.

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And here is the couch that makes into a bed:

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It slides out 6″ to make a 36″ wide bed. The arm rests fill in the 6″ gap.

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Sue made this great looking curtain to keep me in the dark when she’s up.

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The standard configuration from the factory has a 12v battery and a sizable box to store the 25′ 30 amp power cable. I wanted the storage volume under the bed to be for ‘indoor’ items and thought a tongue box would add space for two 6v golf cart batteries, the power cord, another extension cord and a water hose.

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I couldn’t resist the tongue box shot with Luke, my 18 month old grandson. There is plenty of room for the wires, hose and a bit of miscellaneous junk. The U bolts are to tie down a Honda EU2000 generator.

A word about energy storage in the trailer: We do not have any propane appliances so do not need a heavy gas bottle on the tongue. We cook with a hot plate which runs on butane canisters about the size of a can of hair spray. A $2.00 can runs the burner for about two hours and a case of 12 fits in the tongue box. We also have a small grill for cooking outdoors that uses small propane cylinders.

The refrigerator and water heater are regular 110vac. We have a little 1500w, 110v heater instead of a propane furnace. This all works fine when we are plugged in at a campground but obviously not so fine at a rustic campsite.

We have two 6v, 220 ah golf cart batteries wired in series to provide 12v. The lights and water pump run on 12v and there is a 600 watt sine wave inverter to run the fridge and provide power to charge computers and phones. The battery bank will run the fridge for two or three days depending on the ambient temperature. If we planned to camp a lot off the grid we would take the Honda generator which can recharge the batteries in about 6 hours. We could run the water heater or A/C with the generator but have no way to heat the trailer without shore power. Hopefully this won’t matter for summer camping.

We didn’t bring the generator to Florida this winter. We will certainly want heat most nights but expect to stay at state parks or private campgrounds with electric sites.

Update February 2014: The 110V AC Magic Chef 3.6 cu. ft. refrigerator that came with the trailer has not worked out so well. We just replaced it with a 12V DC 4.2 cu. ft. Truckfridge model TF130. The two year old Magic Chef dorm fridge always worked fine on 120v shore power and initially worked fine running off the 600w inverter too but as time went on it got harder and harder to start with battery power through the inverter. By last month it wouldn’t start at all. Even with electric hookups at all the places we camp this means the fridge doesn’t work while driving. The 9 hour drive from Sue’s parents to Enterprise is long enough to have the freezer defrost itself and melt water to run onto the floor.

The Magic Chef manual states specifically not to use it in an RV and my theory is that the trailer hitting bumps caused the motor – compressor unit to wear and gradually require more power to start. That would be no problem when plugged into the 1800w a normal 15amp shore power circuit can supply but became a big problem when limited to the 600w max inverter output. It’s operating consumption is only 80w, the rule of thumb states starting load should be 5x or 400w.

The Truckfridge is a rebranded Indel B unit made mainly for marine use. It uses a high quality Danfoss compressor. Subjectively it is much quieter than the Magic Chef and is much more efficient. It has 17% more capacity yet uses 40% less power. We should be able to manage 3-4 days of off-the-grid camping.

The new 12v fridge is wider but shorter than the old one so the cabinet frame needed to be cut back and the electrical panel moved an inch forward to accommodate the greater width. The new unit is 3″ shorter so I had room to add a 2″ high drawer under the counter, perfect for silverware and cooking utensils.

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A more complete description of the upgrade can be found here at the Fiberglass RV forum. The blog post of Feb 27 on the main page goes into some detail as to why we chose the 12 v option.

Update March 28, 2014:

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We added a 100 watt solar panel. This should enable us to at least double the time we can camp without plugging in to recharge the batteries. Of course it depends on how sunny it is but the solar irradiance table says that we should average enough sun to harvest around 30 ah of energy each day.

More details of the solar installation can be found here.

We also added a Propex HS2211 propane furnace under the trailer.

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More details here.

Update January 21, 2015:

Storing our two full sized bikes inside the trailer worked well but proved to be too much of a hassle to put them away and then get them out every time we setup or broke camp. We switched to 20″ folding bikes that fit in the back of the Jeep. More details in the post titled S3E7 – Bikes and Camping published January 21, 2015.

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UPDATE 7/2/2017

We’ve had a Coleman screen room for the six years we’ve been camping in the Snoozy. It was fine but getting worn and kind of a pain to put up and take down. 

Last fall we were camping as a thunderstorm approached. With drinks in hand and smirks on faces we watched our neighbors open a big Amazon box just as the gusty wind started. The smirks faded as they erected their new screen room in less than a minute, easily beating the rain. After the storm we learned they had a “Clam”. It cost about twice as much as the Coleman but was much easier to put up and take down and seemed quite a bit more substantial (also quite a bit heavier and not so compact to store). The Clam had the same footprint but vertical walls so it felt much roomier inside. It went on our “get one before next season” list.

As our grandsons have grown toward camping age we have often flirted with the idea of a bigger rig. Our two twin bed trailer is very comfortable for Ma and Pa but even one extra child would not fit. We love the Snoozy though and are loathe get rid of it. So we thought maybe we can hack a Clam screen room into a passable warm season tent. Its approximately 130 sqft (hexagon 12’ across) would about double our space, adding plenty of room for two grand kids’ bunk bed cots and one full size grand parent cot.


Clam sells accessory panels that attach to the walls to provide privacy, shade, wind protection and a measure of rain proofing. (Note only the brown tent has flaps at the eaves that overlap the panels). We bought six panels. Five work as stock to cover five sides. They have a nicely engineered system of hooks and Velcro to attach the panel covering the screen walls and can be left in place and rolled up for the daytime. They aren’t really meant to roll up but can be if its not too windy.



The sixth side of the screen room is a door with a zipper up the middle. The panels have a window in the middle so the sixth accessory panel was cut into three vertical panes. The piece with the window makes up half the side width and the remaining two are sewn together to make the other half. Velcro patches were hand sewn to the top seam of the tent with matching patches on the door panel. Three loops of Velcro hold the panel to the tent poles at the sides of the door and three close the door in the middle. I could envision more elegant door solutions but this was about all my rudimentary sewing skill could manage.


We also added two 9 x 12 camping rugs from Walmart to make a foot friendly floor. The 4 and 6 year old boys had their own bunk bed cots. A Coleman 30 x 72 folding cot and an REI self inflating foam mattress complete the guest room. 

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102 thoughts on “About the trailer

  1. Here’s a tip on recharging the batteries. Run a charging wire to the car and it will recharge them in 45min. Another neat trick is to mount a spare battery in the car which charges while you are touristing around during the day and then connect when you are back at your site. We have a 65 Frolic 16ft. with a bath, toilet only. We recommend De Soto county park near Tampa if you can get in. Most sites are on the water. Have fun, Sandy&Helen

    • Hi Sandy, Thanks for the info. We have two 6v, 220ah batteries – enough for 2-3 days of refrigeration off the grid and a built in 30a charger to keep them topped up when we have shore power. So far so good. Here in FL most every campsite has electricity.

      I’d like to try Fort Desoto sometime but we are having difficulty finding short notice reservations at even less than five star campgrounds. We did just reserve a week at Oscar Scherer SP near Venice for a week but only by booking two different sites.

  2. Hello Denny from CA! We are all settled in in Hemet,CA for the month. Good to see your blog. Will check this out and see about setting one up for our travels. Take care and have fun!! Jan & Jim

    • Hi Jim, I followed your posts on Facebook as you headed west. Can’t be any fun driving a motor home in the snow. I like the pictures of your dog acting like a human. We had a yellow lab with the same temperament. If you ever get to Venice Fl take Lexie to Ophelia’s restaurant. They seat dogs on the patio and have a dog bowl of chicken and rice on the menu for your pooch.

    • Hi Susie, I’ll try to remember to send you a picture when we get back to Snoozyland in late February. IIRC the water outlet on the old faucet was 5″ above the countertop and projected out into the sink 3″. The new one ($49 at HD) is 3″ taller and sticks out 2″ further. Doesn’t sound like much but it made a big difference.

      The water line attachment points are 4″ apart, not 8″ like nearly all kitchen sinks so there will not be much to choose from at the store. It’s probably meant for a wet bar, not a kitchen.

      Whatever, it’s a worthwhile improvement.

      • We just installed a single hole faucet with a pull-out sprayer to replace the factory faucet. Much happier with it.

      • We switched out the too low faucet also. Couldn’t find one with a pull out sprayer, though. Yours sounds better.

  3. Just found your website and am enjoying it; also just recently learned of Lil Snoozys. I think it might be my next purchase. Re the two 6 volt golf cart batteries (good idea – so many more AH than a single marine battery) – did the factory do that for you or did you have to do it yourself? I read you were in Hemet CA for month of Jan. I live close to there…would have loved to buy you and your wife dinner and see the Snoozy in person. Happy Travels…Vince

    • Hi Vincent. That was my neighbor wintering in Hemet. We’ve spent the winter in Fl. We plan to visit the west next Sept though so there still might be an opportunity to buy us dinner;)

      I built the tongue box, added the batteries, 30 amp charger and am just about to install a 1500 watt inverter. We will be able to run the fridge for a couple of days off the grid.

      • Denny…thanks for the reply. Apparently I misread the Hemet info. Dinner offer still stands for September! 🙂 (unless I’ve bought a Snoozie by then LOL) Would enjoy talking travel (I’ve traveled all 50 states, Baja, Europe, parts of Asia) and Snoozie experiences. Overall, are you happy with it? I realize all set-ups have their pros and cons. I currently have a 1990 Toyota Odyssey motorhome. I see there’s a 2012 Snoozie for sale on Snoozie Owners Club website. Looks good…but I’m just not the type to offer/buy without seeing it first and it’s in Virginia.

        I suspected you did the battery mod yourself. You engineers have a leg up on most of the rest of us!…although that’s not too difficult. If I recall, I believe your interior single bed mods were done by the factory. Were they amenable to your changes and easy to work with?

        If you’re headed CA way in September and want a rustic mountain experience, check out Mt Baldy…Manker Campround a couple miles above the village (National Forest Service campground). Great hikes and beautiful surroundings. 20 minutes down the mountain and you’re in civilization. (Claremont specifically…home of the Claremont Colleges, restaurants, etc and a little over an hour from LA and the coast. If you want to camp right on the beach my favorite spot is Pt Mugu SP (Thornhill Broome CG).

        Happy Travels…Vince

      • Vince, the Snoozy has worked out well for us. I was attracted to the solid foam core fiberglass construction which gives it a (small) bit of insulation and permitted me to fasten things to it anywhere.

        I was going to have the factory do a custom interior but after sitting in one and talking with Alan Smoak about changes I decided it would be easier for me to get the trailer with no bed or couch and do the twin bed interior myself. I build wooden boats so the wood interior was not too difficult.

        Snoozy offers a twin bed model now but it is laid out differently from mine. We have more floor space but have to convert the couch to a bed every night. We thought that was a better compromise.

        We’ve been on the road for three months now and are still happy with the layout and the Snoozy in general. There have been some repairs along the way but I’m not sure another brand would have been any better. As you undoubtedly know, all trailers use the same cheesy RV accessories.

        The size is good for us as it tows just fine with a V6 RAV4. All up weight is 2850 # with about 400# on the tongue. Mileage is lousy towing, a half ton pickup would do about the same but mileage not towing is much better than a pickup. We have towed 4 or 5,000 miles so far. I added a rear view camera to the back of the trailer, really a lot better than extra mirrors strapped onto the car’s mirrors.

        Lack of propane has been no problem, every campground we have visited has had electricity and water. We use a little electric heater for cool nights, it put out more heat than we needed on a 25 degree night in Michigan. The two batteries will run the 120v dorm size fridge for at least two days, maybe more. I’ve got to install my new 1500w inverter to know for sure. Obviously no heat, AC or hot water when dry camping. The little butane stove has been a gem. We don’t have (or want to store) a microwave.

        All in all its been a great winter cruising around FL in the camper. We are all ready planning next years winter trip.

  4. Hi Denny,

    Enjoyed your post on Grayton Beach. I’m thinking of going to FL next winter myself…might be with my current Toyota RV or a LIl Snoozy. I think I would stop at Grayton Beach. Have you stopped at Cedar Key? I think Low Key Hideaway might be cool. http://www.lowkeyhideway.com
    You mentioned you’ve had some repairs with the Snoozy. I’d be interested in knowing what they were since it was a new unit. You are absolutely correct about the cheezy accessories. Their Magic Chef fridge, for example…$150 at Sears! I read online that it won’t necessarily keep food frozen properly. Has that been your experience? Does it at least make ice in trays? I know it’s a compressor fridge (which I’m a big believer in) versus an absorption fridge but that’s a cheap model. Norcold is far superior but a comparable size is $800.

    As far as dry camping…I dry camp all the time…especially at the primitive beach CG’s close to LA. Haven’t use my propane tank in several years.! That’s why I know the Snoozy would be fine for me. If you’re not familiar: I use a Jetboil for coffee in the morning. http://www.jetboil.com
    As far as heat…get a Coleman catalytic heater. It would be fine for that small space.
    So would the Mr Heater Lil Buddy…but I’ve had two of them and they don’t last very long.

    Thanks for your blog,
    Vince

  5. I love what you have done here. Can I contact you via email for a little more info? I want to make some modifications to one as well. I’m on the west coast and they don’t have any out here I can see and i can’t get back to SC anytime soon. Plus I run an online magazine ( livelaughroll.com ) about trailer and travelers and I am in the process of posting some info about this. You have my info. Thanks
    Debbi

  6. Hi Denny,

    We have enjoyed reading about your adventures. We will be picking up our Snoozy the 20th of March and staying locally for two nights before heading South.

    We are long time tent campers and have all the household items we need for our first short trip, however we have never owned or used an rv. We will tow with a Toyota Tundra so expect no problems on that front.

    Reading your posts have lead me to believe that you live thoughtfully and you live well. I feel comfortable asking your advise.

    What equipment should we bring with us to start? Water pressure regulator, surge protector, leveling blocks, wheel stops, stabilizing jacks, heater Ect. Ect..

    I loved the post on cooking. We had the faucet upgraded, going with a two burner induction top, replacing fridge with an ac dc norcold, convection oven instead of microwave.

    We did not install a bathroom to gain a large closet. Most of our camping leads us to places that have those facilities and I believe they are nothing but trouble. We also had the gray water tank removed the drain moved under the sink and will use a portable one. We did choose to have a quality hot cold hose bib installed to the right of the door to hook up an outside shower and cleaning station. We thought the RV vinyl showers were awful.. Richard, I’m sure, is convinced we are nuts.

    I am also interested in your electric up grades, batts., 1500 watt inverter vs 2000watt.
    The learning curve seems steep right now and good, trusted advise hard to find.

    Thank you for your blog and your precious time.

    Kind Regards
    David&Jan

    Your boats are beautiful.

    • Hi David, Thanks for the kind words. We have enjoyed camping in the Snoozy a lot.

      I like your idea of a 12v fridge. I started installing one (130 litre Indel B) in our trailer today. I plan to write a post about it on our blog and at FGRV.

      The “extras” we use are a water pressure regulator, a right angle hose connector so the hose goes down instead of out from the trailer spigot, a 25′ water hose, a heavy duty extension cord, a converter plug so the 30 amp plug can be connected to a 15 amp outlet, a little 120v space heater, a couple of one foot long 2×8 boards to level trailer, a couple of 8″ long 2x2s for wheel chocks, a padlock to lock the coupler, a flashlight, a solar powered night light that attaches to the aluminum tube supporting the awning over the back door.

      When we picked up our new trailer we forgot mirror extensions and had a nerve wracking first trip on the freeway. I got the strap on mirror extensions and they helped but brought their own issues with slipping on the mirrors and the straps vibrating in the wind. We finally added a rear view camera and have been very satisfied with it. We got a Rear View Safety unit from Amazon for about $200. It’s hard wired and if you think that is something you want it would be a lot easier to install the camera and wiring in the trailer when they build it rather than after the fact.

      Good moves on the kitchen upgrades.

      I wouldn’t want to be without the bathroom though. Even here in S Florida we have had many chilly rainy nights when a trip to the camp bathroom or even nearby bushes would be unpleasant. The casette toilet is easy and sanitary to empty. We find it lasts 3 or 4 days before it’s full. This wouldn’t be too big a deal if no one gets up at night.

      The grey water tank omission will mean you need to carry a portable tank to catch your waste water. This could be a storage concern depending on how big a tank you choose. If you kept the 30 gal tank you could let it run into a bucket if you wanted to but also use it conventionally if you wanted that.

      We have never used the shower, always go to the campground bathroom. The outside shower would be a nice addition.

      My electric idea was to install enough battery capacity to run the fridge for 2-3 days. Two Trojan T105s are 220ah which is enough to do that with the dorm fridge BUT as the unit has worn, the starting load has gotten so high the inverter faults out due to low voltage before the compressor gets going. It only draws 80 watts running.

      The 12v fridge you have is more efficient than that. The indel B (yours might be the same unit rebranded) is supposed to average 2 amps so three days should be no problem.

      The only thing we need the inverter now is recharging cell phones and computers, not much of a load at all. Our 600w true sine wave unit is plenty.

      I would suggest you get a decent three stage battery charger and one big enough. The battery cap in ah divided by ten is the minimum size. We have an Iota 30 amp. It runs all the time we are plugged in and has worked perfectly. You really don’t need the 120v AC function of the fridge as you have unlimited 12v power available when plugged in via the battery charger.

      Good luck with your new Snoozy.

      • Hi Deny, I have enjoyed reading about your upgrades, but now I’m almost convinced that the Lil Snoozy might not be for me if all those electric and heating upgrades are essential to just have what other campers come with. I’m a single female, 128 lbs soaking wet. I don’t think I could pick up these heavy batteries you speak of or change out refrigerators. Yikes! I’m so disappointed now. Why doesn’t Lil Snoozy listen to its customers and make these upgrades before the units leave the shop? I wish these Lil Snoozys had Onan generators. Thanks for letting me vent.

  7. Denny,

    Thank you for you extremely prompt and thoughtful reply. I never would have thought of some of those things.
    I took a quick peek at the indel refer and like it better than the nor-cold. Do you think the freezer is a must have?

    I’m sure I will have many questions in the future. May I call on you again?

    Thanks again
    David

    • David, I bought the refrigerator from Truckfridge.com. Model TF 130. Check out their site and the prices. They don’t say it’s an Indel brand but it is. It will require a 1″ wider opening than my Snoozy (#131) had. We do find the freezer useful, although it is tiny.

      Feel free to talk “trailer” as much as you want. We can switch to email if you’d prefer. Wolfeboats@gmail.

  8. Hi Denny,

    Vince in southern California here. I’m following your adventures again; we communicated last year. Sounds like your having more good Snoozy travels.

    I’m getting closer to selling my Toyota RV and buying a fiberglass trailer.
    Have you had your Snoozy weighed? Any weighing would be informative…when you first got it, after your modifications with the beds and double 6 volt batteries. I don’t see any dry weights on the Snoozy website…plus manufacturers notoriously understate dry weight anyway.

    Happy Travels,
    Vince

    • Hey Vincent, good to hear from you again. Alan told me the Snoozy’s dry weight was IIRC 2100#. I did not weigh it.
      After my modifications, including 130# of batteries, I did weigh it. 2850# with 390# tongue weight. I can’t see how I could have possibly added 750# but there it is.
      There is a thread on the FGRV forum about real world weights where a guy took portable scales to rallies and weighed trailers. I think some weighed 50% more than the published dry weight.

  9. Hi Denny,

    Thanks for the weight info…very informative. I’m familiar with that thread on FGRV and spend quite a bit of time reading it. Of the 112 trailers listed and weighed, there is not one Lil Snoozy. I didn’t read all 21 pages/284 posts to see if someone had a Lil Snoozy and imparted their weight info. Snoozy has not made it out to the west coast! Yeah, I don’t think you added 750lbs.
    Hope you are enjoying yourselves!
    Vince

  10. PS…thanks much for posting your experience with the Magic Chef and the change you made to the Truckfridge and explaining the improved capacity/specs. That was great. Alan should take note!

  11. Good morning! I am weighing the pros and cons of different types of RVs for future full timing. One question I would like to ask is, do you get blown around by the traffic on interstates? I know the designer tried to make it as aerodynamic as possible but I have done a lot of interstate travel. Those big trucks can really knock you around. Have you found that the design helps with that issue? And thank you for the info about things you have changed and why. It may come in handy. Tell your wife hello from another teacher….Kindergarten 20+ years. Have a great day!

    • MB,We have now about 20,000 miles towing the Snoozy, probably 3/4 of that on freeways where I try to keep our speed around 65 mph. Half of the miles with a 2007 Toyota RAV4 and half with a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Not much sway from passing semis with either vehicle. The Jeep is longer and heavier with a very short rear overhang (distance from rear axle to hitch ball) so is a little less affected than the RAV but both were very secure feeling. Another factor is the heavy tongue weight I have. With two golf cart batteries in the tongue box we have 390# tongue weight. A new empty trailer has probably 250# TW.

      I have not towed a conventional slab sided trailer but doubt the aerodynamic shape has much to do with sway. Tongue weight and tow vehicle have a lot to do with sway.

  12. We bought a Snoozy last year and have been enjoying traveling around Oklahoma and Arkansas. In September, we will spend a week in New Mexico and Colorado. We hate the name too and have removed most of the decals. Thinking about getting a big scissortail flycatcher decal to take their place. Thanks for blazing the trail. We are not retired yet, but love this little trailer and take it out whenever we can. We have been customizing with things like a teak deck in the shower and better storage inside. Your customizations are inspirational. And…I am an amateur photographer. Love your photos!

    • Hi Cheri, thanks for posting. Our Snoozy has worked out great.

      We were in NM last April and really loved both City of Rocks State Park and the Corp of Engrs campground at Abaqueu Lake. I just heard a bit in NPR yesterday that the NM desert is blooming due to abnormal monsoon rains. Hope it’s still green when you get there.

  13. I noticed you started with a RAV 4 but changed to a Jeep as your tow vehicle. I have basically the same car as your RAV 4 (Lexus RX330). Did you find the Toyota not up to the task of pulling the Snoozy? Love your Blog!

    • Hi Andy. The RAV towed the Snoozy @2850# with 390# tongue weight just fine. We got around 15 mpg while towing. We must have logged 10,000 miles towing with the RAV.

      The tongue weight was a little heavier than the 350# max specified in the owners manual so I added air bags to the springs which raised the car maybe 1″. They were cheap (<$100) but a real PITA to install. Adjusting the air pressure was easy with a manual bicycle pump.

      We got the Jeep because the RAV was getting up there in mileage and I just wanted a new car😀.

  14. Denny,

    Thank you so much for your great blog. I hope your wife is feeling much better after her fall.
    My wife and I love to travel, but don’t find motels to our liking as we ‘ve gotten older.
    I looked at the T@Bs and other Lite trailers, but when I found the simplistic design that the Lil’ Snoozy offered I worried about construction quality with an relatively new manufacturer. Your decision to buy one after three generations of boat building and fiberglass experience reassured me. I just recently, after talking with one other Lil’ Snoozy owner, decided to meet with Richard Mickle and kick the tires. Well on the way to Lil’ Snoozy we decided to visit a trailer dealer that sells what I would call traditional trailers. They had a few models in the Lite style with lots of very handy features, but nothing like the Snoozy or lower weight class. Well not to be long winded, we then visited with Richard and bought the showroom model. We then drove overnight, pulling it with a 3.5L Highlander, to Northern PA. The Highlander, which does have a towing package and a 5000# tow rating, didn’t mind at all. The temperature gauge never exceeding non-towing temps. On a few hills on I81 in Virginia it reminded me it was back there. The hydraulic breaking system worked well, and WAS one of my worries since I’ve always had electric brakes, but no longer. I took a hit in mpg of about 10mpg, but I did climb a lot of mountains on the way. It’s just so pleasant to stop and allow my wife to use the dinette area while I got 40 winks on that real queen mattress to continue our trip. We have not used the toilet yet, as we had to winterize it as soon as we were home, but I know it’s there.
    Now if I could just retire early and travel all the time.

    Thanks for all your ideas on improvements and your great travel logs which I hope to keep current.

    Happy Trails,
    Steve and Linda

      • I like your tongue box idea. Has the snapped cover kept it fairly dry while driving in rain? I can’t tell, but would you recommend AGM batteries if stored under the bed area?

      • The snapped cover keeps the tongue box ‘somewhat’ dry. I don’t put anything there that can’t stand a little water.

        I’d definitely use AGM batteries if they are to be located inside the trailer.

  15. Awnings: Did you already or have you thought about awning rails and non-invasive mounting to the Snoozy shell?

    • The common C channel slide in extrusion could be fastened anywhere. The shell (at least mine) is just shy of 1/2″ thick so 1/2″ self tapping screws work fine. Drill a pilot hole through the skin on the screw head side but not the far side.

      One of the reasons I chose the Snoozy was because I could screw stuff to the walls wherever I wanted.

  16. What is the best way to clear the water pump and the Thetford cassette toilet to winterize and what pressure would you use?

    • Remember I’ve never winterized mine but….

      I’d drain as much water out of the fresh water tank as possible then put in a couple of gallons of RV antifreeze. Run the pump until it comes out of the sink faucet and toilet flush port.

      Dump the Thetford waste tank when done.

      I’d ask Snoozy about the water heater. I don’t believe it has a drain.

  17. You “changed” the beds to twins, which I really like, but it is unclear if the builder did the changes for you, or you did it yourself. Could you clarify for us?

    • Hi Constance. I built the two single beds myself.

      The factory has built some twin bed models with a pair of beds running front to back.

  18. We are also in Ontario, Canada-retired engineer and teacher/kitchen designer. We have loved small trailers from day 1-had 2 T@BS and a TADA. We are looking to trade our 24′ Viewfinder for something smaller and are intrigued with the Snoozy. I read that you have just picked yours up and would love to see what they look like. We live in the Ottawa Valley but would travel a good distance to see one.
    TIA-Mary-Ann & Phil

    • We got our Snoozy three years ago but it still looks Iike (almost) new.

      We are in Marine City, Michigan, right across the river from Sombra, ON. That’s a long way from Ottawa but not as far as the Snoozy factory in South Carolina.

      You would be welcome to visit but be sure to let me know in advance s we travel a good bit. Note that our interior is some what different from what the factory supplies.

  19. Just found your site and very pleased with the details that you have shared. This idea of traveling is still new to us as we are still working full time so the dream of “running away” is only a fantasy. However, the information that you share is invaluable as insight into the world or tiny travel and I have become enamoured with the Lil Snoozy because of size. I’m 6’3″ and worry about sleeping arrangements so the idea of the extra room afforded by a queen sized bed is very attractive as well as the extra head room.

    I was very surprised by your comment regarding the gas mileage because the shape of the Snoozy was the first thing that attracted me to their website. I naturally assumed that the aerodynamic shape would provide better mileage. Very interesting to read your actual experience.

    Keep up the good work on WordPress. I really enjoyed reading your posts and will be sharing this site with my wife very soon. Thanks again.

    • After the miles and years that youve had the lil snoozy would you do anything differant?
      How did the addition of the propane heater work out?
      I’m interested in driving from the east coast to alaska when I retire in 4 years. Would the snoozy be a good choice?

      • Hi Peter,
        All the modifications, including the propane heater have worked out fine. The Propex furnace is very quiet and has plenty of power to heat the small trailer.

        I wouldn’t hesitate to take the Snoozy to Alaska but I’d make sure I had a spare tire. From what I’ve read the roads can be quite bad.

  20. Denny…so glad I found your site. I’ll be going to SC Snoozy factory in a couple of weeks to test out and perhaps buy a LS. In your opinion, what features would be acceptable for a first time RVer like me? I will be traveling solo with my two big dogs. Can I move that trailer on the hitch wheel by myself? Do you think different cabinet finishes can be ordered. LS is closed for the week so can’t call them.

    • Hi Diane,

      The Snoozy fits two adults just fine. Only you can decide if the dogs fit.

      You might be able to roll the trailer on the tongue jack wheel on smooth level concrete, no chance on dirt or gravel. My tongue weighs 390#.

      The Snoozy comes with most of the stuff you need to camp with electric hookups. I’d definitely add the cassette toilet and you may want to add a window.

      • Thanks…my thoughts exactly! Part of what drew me to the LS is the giant windows. Definitely want the cassette toilet. I’ll also ask about some of the upgrades you mention in previous comments.

    • Diane, we just picked up our Snoozy and they have made several changes this year. We did change cabinet colors as well as several other changes. Don’t hesitate to email me if you have questions or would like to see some pictures of the new Snoozy. Best wishes Andy

      • Andy. That’s good to hear about cabinet colors. I’m a kitchen designer and don’t want to see another oak cabinet! I’m planning to visit LS next week; just making hotel reservations now.

      • Hi,
        I realize that this was a very old post, The issue of cabinet colors was the first thing I brought up when I called the factory. It isn’t so much that I hate oak, it’s just that I would rather that the cabinets were very, very light. One of the things I like about the LS is all of the windows. Very light neutral interiors, and lots and lots of windows are why airstream is so attractive. (To me at least!)

        Anyway, could you let me know what your response was to changing the color ? It sounds like they would work with me on other changes: I don’t need a microwave, and it sounds like the refrigerator is really not adequate. I didn’t notice, but did anyone hear happen to ask them if they had other sources for jackknife sofas and other colors/fabrics?

        I am really thinking that I may actually take a trip to the factory to talk to them. I have been looking at stick built trailers for months, and it appears that they all leak. Although the LS is not everything I would want aesthetically, it does appear that it would be a great deal more dependable, and hopefully have a better resale value than some of the others on the market.

        Eliana in Kansas City

        P.S. On a different note, how did some of the people on this form managed to remove the graphics on the outside of the trailer? What kind of business should I contact to both do that and possibly add other graphics?

      • Eliana,

        My Snoozy has the standard interior wood, unstained red oak. The curtains and fabrics are Sue’s doing. The floor tile is ours too. We discarded the factory green linoleum.

        The Snoozy was attractive to me as it’s construction method made my modifications easier to do.

        I’d highly recommend visiting the factory. All the internet research in the world is no substitute for sitting in the trailer or laying on the bed.

  21. Just realized how stupid my oak cabinet comment sounded! Sorry to all oak lovers. The kitchens I work with are usually 20-30 years old and almost all have honey oak, golden oak, etc. After a few years they all take on an orange glow because of the finish used back in the day! Hard color to design around. I just need a change but that’s me personally. Again, sorry if I offended anyone.

  22. I lwondered about no propane.. Now you have added it. We wild-camp all the time so this little trailer would require extensive mods to meet our needs, as you have done. And, if gas mileage is not really better, lots of lost living space in the design. But, a handsome trailer.

  23. Diane,
    We had the oak cabinets stained an espresso color. I was in the home improvement business and could not handle the red oak either. Richard has used Maple in the past also. We are on Facebook at Debbie Hutchins Abbott if you want to PM me.
    Good luck,
    Andy

    • Thanks so much, Andy. Like the espresso stain. So up-to-date!

      I want to add the big window over the media center. Has anyone added a TV mounted on the ceiling? The mount has the ability to “flip” the TV up flat against the ceiling when not in use thereby keeping the window view.

      • The tv mount I had Richard install will allow the tv to swing into the bed area, the den or sofa area and outside the window for outside viewing. So if you move the tv into the bed area when not in use you have full view out of the window. They would be reluctant to make a hole in the roof due to leakage. My wife and I thought a 24 inch tv would be too small but after installation it was a great size. The last time we were at the factory they did not have a model there for showing so they were showing ones that were being built. So, let me know if you have anymore questions.

      • Modem flat screen TVs are so light it might be possible to screw a mount to the ceiling without poking through the outside skin. On of the best features of the Snoozy is the fiberglass-foam-fiberglass hull construction. Half inch self tapping screws can be used to fasten things to the walls. The oak “arch” separating my bed from the living area, the bathroom mirror and the closet wall are all screwed to the wall.

  24. Guys…thanks again for your thoughts. I’m taking the trip to LS next week. Both of your TV mounting ideas are great and
    I’ll discuss with manufacturer. I’m sure they’ll remember you both.

  25. I learned several new things about South Carolina this week.
    1. Fire Ants…really?
    2. They have very cold weather! Why did I think it would be warm and sunny???
    3. SNOOZY IS WONDERFUL!

    Met with Richard and Amber…great people. Richard is young, knowledgable, has good design sense. I believe he can take the company to new heights!
    My big doggy jumped right in the model and almost hopped on the bed. He knows it will make a nice home. Puppy freaked…kept running circles around the Snooz but wouldn’t come in. Seems like Richard is fine with all my design ideas, including the painted cabinets. I should hear something if and when I get closer to ordering. The 25″ TV is fine. He does now have the bracket and a brand new TV to show. You can just slip the TV right out of the bracket and either store or place on the bed when not in use. We also discussed the ceiling mount but losing 6″ in height and drilling through the ceiling would not work well. Seeing the rig in person helps so much.
    I’m planning to see 2 more trailers before I make my final decision but LS seems to be at the forefront right now.

  26. Denny, You have to start traveling again. We need your stories. Linda and I took a great trip to Prince Edward Island the first week of September and found the Provincial and National parks to our liking. Backing her into campsites was no problem. Taking the LIL’ down a 20 mile curving dirt road at a recommended top speed of 20 miles an hour in Baxter State park(Maine), showed the Lil’s boat trailer was made for that kind of travel. Someone in the line behind us at the entry post asked the ranger if campers like that are allowed down the road, I guess fearing he’d have follow me. They assured him that the Lil and the Highlander was within the limits for length and height. I lost them fairly quickly, since Lil pulls so easily. That was at 8PM in the dark, on the way out the next morning we had many cars coming the other way and though the road was narrow Lil was easy to maneuver to allow them to pass. I only have 4 weeks of vacation, so we have to use them with great regard, but I can’t wait to start traveling this spring

    Take great care,
    Steve and Linda

    • I’d like to get back on the road, especially somewhere as nice and the Canadian maritimes.
      We have a new condo in Nashville near our daughter’s family. That plus a few weeks in Florida at Sue’s parents is our winter plan.

      Hope to do some camping next summer.

    • Hi Brenda. I’m glad you enjoyed the posts. When we started camping I couldn’t imagine how I’d pass the time with so little to do so decided to start this blog. Of course there was nearly always plenty to do.

      We started towing with a 2007 Toyota RAV4 V6 AWD. This worked fine. As it got up to 100,000 miles though we replaced it with a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee V6 AWD. It’s a larger, heavier vehicle with almost double the tow rating of the RAV yet gets a little better gas mileage both with and without the trailer. We now have 53,000 miles on it with zero problems.

      • Hi Denny- another little question…would it be possible to put a little Onan generator in to run the electricity and all?

      • Our first dry camping trip was with a Honda eu2000 generator. We ran it for an hour and then shut it off as the noise just spoiled the wilderness camping experience.

        That said it would certainly be possible. We carried the generator in a big Tupperware box in the back of SUV.

        We have a 30 amp battery charger, that’s about 400 watts, so the smallest Honda 1000w generator would be more than enough.

        If you didn’t mind the generator you could use one 12 v battery and put the generator on the tongue box. You’d have less weight than my two golf cart batteries.

  27. hi denny, I appreciate you sharing your time & knowledge with us. lil S. is in my top 2 choices. i’m just concerned about camping in winter 3 months & keeping all the plumbing ice free. sincerely, rich L.

    • None of these little trailers have much insulation. I think camping in below freezing temps would be uncomfortable with lots of condensation on walls and windows.

      All plumbing and fresh water tank is inside the shell.

      • thanks for the fast reply. this info. makes me rethink my plan into what is livable/ comfortable for winter living/traveling. do you have any knowledge on possible directions I can look ? thanks, rich

      • I believe Oliver makes a small trailer that has a winter option that has better insulation and thermopane Windows.

  28. Just found this blog and enjoy reading as we are considering a lil snoozy. We did visit the factory and for us it’s a simple wide open plan. We would be doing the opposite of ya’ll as we would be snow birds going north for July/August get out of hot humid Florida.
    Now that you’ve had it awhile, I have seen/read some issues with water leakage and issues with the cassette toilet hose. Have you encountered any of that?
    I’d have one today but there is an 8 month wait right now.

    • Hi Ann, glad you found our blog.

      There are two hoses in the cassette plumbing. One of them burst after about a year, the second two or three years later. Both were replaced with higher quality tubing and all has been fine since. Thetford is a well known and respected company so maybe water pressure in campgrounds are generally higher here, I really don’t know.

      I did not have a pressure regulator at first, that might have helped. You also might be able to get the factory to change out the hoses before they install the toilet??? You might not have a problem anyway.

      I do know the cassette toilet is a great advantage because you do not have to get in line to drain your black water at the camp dump site. Emptying the two gallon tank in the bathroom is certainly a chore but in my mind at least, not nearly as big a pain as dealing with the dump station, messy hoses, etc. Other than the hoses the cassette toilet seems very well made and robust. It works perfectly with no smell or leakage.

      We also had some leaking windows that were easy to fix with new weather stripping.

      Our trailer was produced in early 2012 so Snoozy has a lot more experience under their belt now. I’d expect the quality to have improved.

      All the fiberglass trailer manufacturers are small operations, probably none have sophisticated automotive level quality systems and all use hardware and accessories from the same suppliers. I suspect Snoozy is no better or worse than Scamp, Casita, etc.

      • We are so close just hate the long wait list.
        Oh and loved your “Clam” set up for grand kids. Was looking at those for screen room. Any issues with heavy rains or winds? Reviews on Amazon complained about collapsing in don’t use it for sleeping. Thought it was a great idea for guests.

      • Hi Ann, we haven’t tried the clam in heavy wind or rain but it was fine in a light calm rain. Note the brown model has better rain resistance than the green one.

        I think it would be fine in heavy wind if you staked it down and tied ropes onto the side fittings.

      • Hi,
        Me again. We just saw a used snoozy for sale. Going to look at it as it’s close to us(fate maybe?) one question, it does not have the large window across from couch. Did you install yours or was it done at the factory? If not, how difficult would it be in your opinion to install a larger window there?
        We also looked at an Oliver. Not apples to apples of course both have pros and cons but lil snoozy we were drawn to for its simplicity.
        I am reading thru all your adventures and can’t wait to hit the road

      • Hi Ann, regarding adding a window:. It wouldn’t be that difficult if you are comfortable going at your new trailer with a power saw.

        You would lay out the exact shape of the window on the wall then cut it out very carefully with a saber saw. The new window with gasket is put in from the outside and the interior trim screws on from the inside. Presto, new window.

        There Snoozy factory could give you their window specs so you could buy an exact match.

  29. Remember when you pull a trailer, everything is put though a very rough ride. Appliances, windows, doors, toilets, will need minor and more repairs by the owner. Balancing the wheels and lubing the axle really is a yearly job.
    Fiberglass trailers stay intact, stick trailers tend to shake apart. If you are keeping it for years, go fg. Keep it waxed and cover when not using.
    Usually the RV dealer is available for major stuff, but not so much with fiberglass dealers.
    I know, who asked me. 😀

  30. Wow! Love your detail information of your transformations in your little snoozy. I am interested in purchasing one. And with all your great details of updates gives me a good idea of why I should get one. I wish I could buy yours!!!! You’ve done a great job upgrading. Thank you for sharing!!!

  31. Wow, Denny. Thanks for all the information. I just spent about an hour reading through everything on your blog. I so appreciate all the details and that you took the time to be specific, and also so friendly to everyone who wrote you. (And thanks to everyone who had comments and suggestions, too.) I’ve been looking at small trailers online. I’ve seen one Casita “in person” and that was what I was most lusting after until I saw the Snoozy. I’m about four years out from getting something, but the “shopping” and comparing keep me inspired! For now I’m a tent camper. I’ll most likely be a single woman traveling alone…without a lot of mechanical know-how. I wouldn’t be able to do most changes myself, but it’s great to learn what I might have done right from the manufacturer. I would want some heating, so it was interesting to read about your propane addition and how someone else uses as mall electric heater. I also like to dry camp or wilderness camp. Anyway, thanks so much for this wonderful blog. There is lots of great information here!

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